as a defense, usually the defense is twofold. one is structural. you raised her notices and tighten up or. one is to go after the guy who is attacking you. usually, he is incompetent. you do not vote display. there is no slate tebow. you're not allowing that to proceed. going out and bad mouthing him -- he compounded and it will be a long conversation. isn't it fair to say, good or bad, there is no one like bill lachman? his investors know his style. he is met with skepticism at the onset. look at what he did. do you think it is a huge shock to his investors? i would be the first to say, is this a trade or a crusade? it seems like a crusade, and that is risky. >> the investors know what they're getting into. einhorn --s, david they are up 20%. ackman will come in in low double digits. i do not know his december results. that is an underperformance. yes, he will expect to get some pressure. anthinks outside the box in area where everyone is in. >> what does that make you think, though? he is putting a massive investment in one place. there is risk a